Anatomy of a Photo: Full Gas
We are just about done with our next book, The Hardmen. At its core is the question: how hard is hard enough when it comes to effort.
None of us really know the answer, but when you can’t stand up after winning a Tour de France stage, even with the help of several adoring fans and staff members, you got pretty close.
Chapeau, monsieur Millar.
Sent you an email, and this is not related to this post, but when is the gear getting shipped? Still says September/October.
Ok, August/September.
I”m going to suggest when they have to give you oxygen and cart you off in an ambulance..you went hard enough…
@Brent
Ya, but is that 2015 or 2016 (maybe 2017)??? (wink)
@Haldy
First thing that I thought of when I saw the subject matter. Just look at the ashen skin tone and the 1,000 kilometer stare. Roche is fucking COOKED here.
@Haldy
Roche! nice memory. i think Phil Liggett was in similar oxygen debt at the conclusion of this stage to La Plagne. i remember similar Liggett histrionics when Sean Kelly hunted down Moreno Argentin descending the Poggio in ’92.
@Cary
Such a famous stage. Just HAVE to love Auntie Phil!
dude i love Phil Liggett. in the age before cable TV and the internet, Phil was THE voice of european cycling to us statesiders. it is upon these scribes of myth: Liggett, Leth, Abt, etc, that the very legends of the Velominati were built. one who never had cycled could get a vague idea of the intensity of what they were watching by just listening to Liggett. if not for he and those like him, how would an average viewer have any idea what’s really going on? you only have an idea of the OPERA of suffering and torment housed in a rider like Fignon, Criquelion, or Mottet, if you’ve ridden before yourself. i had never turned a pedal in competition, and the hair on my arms stood up listening to Liggett describe Robert Millar chasing down Hinault on the Peyresourde descent in ’86. i said DAMN. that’s what i’ve been looking for!
Or just loosing……..
@Buck Rogers
I’m just hoping (against hope, naturally) that the winter gear I ordered in the height of summer will arrive before winter is out. [sigh.]
@davidlhill
Ha! Get in line, Mate!
I placed my order for the new VLVV summer kit on December 18, 2015 hoping to use it at Battenkill last spring and it has not arrived yet.
But I still love Frahnk and the V site. I have survived just fine and will continue to do so even without the greatest V kit yet, at least in theory, made.
@Buck Rogers
Yeah you have to go through at least one clear season of the season type you were planning. Hoping last winter’s gear will get here for this winter………
@Buck Rogers
Odd, as I received my bib shorts I ordered in December 2015 around May, I think.
Perhaps the theory is that by the time we get our gear it becomes ‘classic’, in nature. This could tie in with the rule that says we can’t wear current team kit but are allowed to wear kit from defunct teams. Exhibit A below.
I’ll order the arm warmers now, then. In time for next winter.
Cheers,
David
@davidlhill
Those are the Classic bibs you have on, right? I have a set of that kit from prior.
I ordered the new VLVV bibs last December but I think that there has been a hang up with the VLVV kit.
Not sure anyone but Frahnk has the VLVV kit (at least I know that I do not have it!)
@davidlhill
Fucking amazing shoes, by the way.
I was looking at those online the other day and was wondering if they would go well with modern kit and your post proves that they do!
@Buck Rogers
I love those shoes (Quoc Phan). That pic was taken on day 1 of this year’s TdF, and I knew there would be a fair amount of walking off the bike. Hence I used those ones, and clips, instead of clipless.
Btw – I’ve met a few guys who bought the black version. They all regret not buying them in tan.
Damn, only seen photos of that Quintini situation. He looks like he’s about to die. And his feet look far too big for his body. Talk about shaped like a frog, he almost looks chubby with his teeny legs and huge abdomen/lungs.
@Ron
Did he become Italian since I last looked?
I listened to Graeme Obree talk to a group of us on Tuesday. 2 things really stuck out that illustrate his mindset when training or going for a main event.
When he failed to get the outright world hour record that first time he was not content with the sea level record so he went again. His mindset was that we was willing to die to give his all. He reckoned that in order to go as hard as you can you must be willing to blow the engine. He says he was never the best rider, he was just willing to dig deeper than the other guy.
When training and welded to his turbo set up he said he would go as hard as he could for 18 minutes. The difference and again being willing to blow the engine, was being able to give absolutely everything humanely possible in that last 2 minutes to 20. It wasn’t the hard 18 minutes that made the difference it was the final 2 beyond that.
A Legend of a Hardman, I hope he’s in your next book @frank. If not, he should be.
Also for consideration…..Sir Chris Hoy used to do efforts so hard on his trainer…he’d collapse on a mat next to it right after the effort is over. Think about that next time you are suffering on a trainer….
@Buck Rogers
AND he still managed to be witty when he was asked if he was ok: “yes, but I am not ready for a woman straight away.”
@JohnB
I raced against Graeme regularly in the 80s. Toughest rider there ever was – and truly one of the nicest guys. Always had a kind word for his competitors. A legend in his own time.
What was the occasion you met him at?
@Teocalli
Haha!
one of the coolest things about this post is the very first sentence! i cannot wait. TAKE MY MONEY NOW
@wiscot
Graeme was keynote speaker at day 2 of the grandly titled International Cyclefit Symposium in Manchester. The theme was The Intelligence of Fit.
It was a truly international bunch, some giants of bike fitting there. I think they see themselves as the Keepers of Bikefit.
@Haldy
Alas, next to my turbo there’s the snow thrower or another couple of bikes and skis. I cannot afford the luxury of dropping off the trainer and take a nap.
@KogaLover
That’s a great pic. I did a 2×8 minute FTP test on Wednesday, and was close to collapse at the end of the 2nd effort. But the easiest thing is to slump on the bars and spin your legs in some manner until you’re ready to not die.
I like to think I can hurt myself pretty well but I can’t imagine the effort required to actually collapse like Millar in the lead picture.
@Cary
they will, but it will be eons before the product arrives…
@Cary
Available on Amazon on pre-order The Hardmen
@KogaLover
Lunch is June/July according to the session in London.
Lunch? Crikey that’s a long wait………Launch.
@KogaLover
That’s not the cover!! And it’s only the kindle version…
anybody that wishes to emulate Roche, Millar or Quintana doesn’t need to go climbing any mountains, or set off on a 40k TT into the teeth of a North Sea gale. all that is necessary is to attempt to ride a kilo like it’s 200m, or do tabata intervals at a similar pace. if you do it right, you’ll wish you were dead in the time it takes for a TV commercial break.
@frank
regardless, it’s gonna be cool to read. i was stoked to see Van Hooydonk in the description. there are just so many cyclists from that era that really have faded into semi-obscurity. at least, in the US.
semi off topic, but tangentially relevant is the subject of track riders. they don’t necessarily get the same credit for being “hard” as roadies do, and they’re nowhere near as famous, but guys like Patrick Sercu, Urs Freuler, Etienne DeWilde are right alongside Sean Kelly, to me. to race six days for a career is not for the faint of heart.
@JohnB
ooops!
@Cary
Did you see any footage of Gent six-day with Twiggo and Cav? That track is so short. All the action is compressed. What a place. That is on my big list.
@Gianni
hell yes. there seems to be a sort of six day renaissance going on in terms of coverage, thanks to YouTube. it is FANTASTIC to me. one of the prized possessions of my 20s was a Famous Cycling Videos VHS tape of the 1993 track worlds. Huebner, Niewand, Obree, Boardman, DeWilde, etc. I think Florian Rousseau won the kilo that year too. i mean, they even had a stayer race for chrissakes. that was the coolest thing ever.
the Ghent track is insanely small. do you remember the Vandedrome “portable” velodrome? the turns were near-vertical.
@Gianni
after a recent perusal of YouTube, i do not see any footage of Wiggins and Cav at Gent. there are a few clips of them winning the Madison at the 2015 Revolution 6, and a couple of Cav winning at Gent with Iljo Keisse in 2014. if you find any more links, please post em.
also, i looked up the Gent Velodrome, cuz i HAD to know. it’s only 167m long. pretty rad.
Has anybody here read “Push Yourself Just A Little Bit More” by Johnny Green? There’s a bit in there where he describes watching Jean Patrick Nazon cross the line after a TDF time trial. Apparently JPN had so little left in the tank that he collapsed to the floor and lost control of his bodily functions, ending up lying in a pool of his own body fluids.
@Gianni
Come and try the one at Calshot over here. I believe it is the second smallest in the world. You actually feel compression on the banking.
@Teocalli
What’s on my list it to sit in the stands at Gent, drink some Belgian ales and watch a shietload of racing on that track. Riding it would be fun too but I don’t think I would get access.
@Gianni
a friend of mine and myself were just talking about this two weeks ago. this is totally doable, isn’t it? man i would be like a little kid. even moreso than usual. haha
@Teocalli
Felt that at Newport last night. I was apparently doing about 60kph at the time though. I actually said ‘wooooow!’ The coach didn’t tell me off for being an infant, he said ‘yes, it’s great isn’t it?!’
@Cary
Just saw the most insane derny race at Ghent. The final 6 or 7 laps were ridden three abreast. Keisse is absolutely smashing it.
@DVMR
And the following Madison was absolutely mental. 3 teams in the hunt, and they all managed to take 10 laps in an hour. Except wiggo and cav managed to get one more right at the end to take the overall.
@DVMR
derny racing is the coolest thing ever. those guys are gods of sport.
@Cary
Just got back from two days there with my son. Absolutely superb event. Seriously, seriously old school. Like a tiny music festival … of bike racing. Lovely city too.
Very emotional seeing Brad and Cav racing in the champs jerseys. Only slightly marred by Brad’s heinous bars.
this thread has me researching a vacation to Belgium next year. it is possible to see the Ghent six, and catch the Duinencross @ Koksijde in the same week. i’m not getting any younger. time to make it happen!
@Cary
Me too. not sure about this or the spring classics, but I really want to experience all of it. Plus, I spent part of the day researching a Jaegher frame, would love to pick it up in Belgium.