Fitting yourself to your bike properly and being comfortable while riding is probably the most important aspect of cycling. It doesn’t matter if you’re riding the Worlds Lightest Bike or your Clunker Rain Bike/commuter; if you feel good on your bike, it will be a pleasure to ride. My 10 kilo, 8-Speed Shimano 105, fender and mud-flap equipped Bianchi XL EV2 is almost as much a pleasure to ride as my 7 kilo Campy Record/Zipp 404 built Cervelo R3 (as long as I don’t ride them side by side). It comes down to the fact that once you’re riding, all you know is how your bike feels, and the light weight and stiffness of my R3 is something I notice when I ride it, but I don’t miss it when I’m on my other bikes. All of my bikes are a pleasure to ride, and I personally believe that is due to the attention I have paid to getting my fit as perfect as I can.
I am a rather tall person by cyclist standards, and a dwarf by Basketball standards. I stand about 6’3″, have a relatively short torso, and have relatively long arms as compared to my torso, but normal for my total height. It seems to me that the American cycling industry has a very good idea how to fit a 5’10” rider to a 56cm frame. From there, it feels like most bike shops scale the model up or scale the model down from that point of reference. In my opinion, the US cycling industry is selling almost every bike customer the wrong bike. Tall riders have dramatically different biomechanics as do shorter people. The proportions and angles between limbs and torso don’t simply scale like you’re enlarging a photo of the same customer and fitting them to a proportionally bigger or smaller bike. Add to that the fact that the physics of the cycling world works against tall (and inevitably heavier) riders, and the problem of fitting yourself to a bike is compounded by the fact the fact that you’re a minority and the industry generally does not put priority on understanding what you need as a cyclist. The result is tall riders on frames that are too large and with handlebars that are too high.
My theory of bike fitting is very simple and is based on two principles:
I think most bike manufactures understand the second point and their mitigation strategies vary from using different tube sets for different frame sizes to applying more material (and making a relatively heavier bike) to the tubing. That’s fine, the Sasquatch in us taller riders can handle a little extra weight. The keys to bike fitting lie in the first point.
How does a cyclist lower their center of mass? Well, you can be shorter, that works pretty well. Or cut yourself off at the knees, but that has other side effects that I don’t want to get into right now. You could also lower the bottom bracket like Look and Eddy Merckx used to do (I think they raised their BB to the standard height recently).
Buth the real solution is that in most cases – at least in the cycling world, taller means lankier and that means that proportionally, the distances and angles between legs, arms, handlebars, saddles, and pedals start being very different – and should be much more extreme – than the scaled-up picture model of the 5’10” rider on a 56.
I have found over the last 23 years of riding that when I lower my bars, two things happen. First, I have better control over my machine. Second, I go faster. After having my bars as low as they would go on my R3 and consistently feeling they were a bit too high, I bought a 17 degree stem for my R3 which lowered my bars by 2cm- more than I thought I wanted. The results were astounding. Not only does my bike handle better, but I ride about 1-2kmph faster on flats and on climbs. The speed factor can be attributed to freakish bio-mechanics (that may be unique to my physiology) and/or increased aerodynamics, but the bike handling is, I believe, directly related to my lowered center of mass. In fact, John – who is also an Eros Poli-sized rider such as myself – noticed how good a low, aggressive position feels after borrowing one of my bikes during a visit to Seattle.
The bottom line is that you have to be comfortable on a bike, and that means different things to different people based on their size, flexibility, and style of riding. That said, I urge tall riders to experiment with riding the smallest frame you can while still getting enough saddle height and top tube length needed to ride efficiently – and then ride your bars as low as you can. If you need an example from the pros, take a look at Axel Merckx’s position (at the top of this post, as well as compared to Floyd Landis above), or keep in mind that Greg Rast on team Astana had Trek build him a frame with the dimensions of a 61cm frame with the head tube height of a 56cm frame – and slams his handlebar stem right down on his top tube.
It’s all about your center of mass, baby.
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@michael
To quote myself...
The point of that comment was that Phinney may need to drop his bars to crash less.
Ever get the feeling you're talking to yourelf in public?
I tend to disagree about the lowered-center-of-mass theory that you say would improve control. I am pretty convinced that it is more about the distribution of weight between the two wheels (which is something completely different). The moment you lower your bar you will put more weight on your front wheel. When I look at your bikes I get the impression that your seat is located almost over the rear wheel's axle. So putting more weight on the front wheel by lowering the handlebar will of course improve bike stability and control. That's my theory. ...
I prefer a large setback myself. Therefore my custom built frame comes with 72.5 ° seat tube angle, 41.5 cm chain stays and a rather short BB-to-front wheel distance in combination with a 135 mm stem and a slightly raised BB. Thereby I achieved a perfect biomechanical position and perfect weight distribution allowing perfect control although my center of mass is somewhat elevated (due to the raised BB).
@grumbledook
Really interesting theory; I'd love to see a side-on shot of your bike. Weight distribution definitely has a good deal to do with it, and one thing I did notice when I lifted the bars by 5mm was cornering improved as before the front wheel was perhaps a bit over-weighted. With all these things, there is a balance between opposing factors and you've got to work them out.
But the overall center of mass still plays a critical role and the physics is pretty clear that a lower center of mass = more stable. But to your point, a low center of poorly distributed mass is also crap. This lower center of mass is very apparent when I ride the TSX; the BB is probably 2cm or more lower than the Cervelo; aside from that, the position is almost identical. The TSX falls short in every category of cycling - less comfortable, softer, heavier, etc - but it's handling is noticeably better. It just sits on the road like a chicken on an egg. (The geometries are also slightly different, but the same effect is noticed on the TSX vs. the Bianchi XLEV2 which have the same geometries except the XLEV2 has a higher BB - i.e the seat/head tube angles are the same.)
OK. I see your point. ... And when talking about superior handling, we need to keep in mind each one of us may have different preferences. E.g., I prefer a quickly reacting bike with an almost "nervous" geometry. Therefore, I like it when the BB is higher than the "classic" 7.5 cm drop. But at the same time I like to be in control under each condition, which is achieved in the case of my bike by weight distribution (i.e. long chain stays and short fw-to-BB distance) in combination with a rather long stem. I posted a pic of my road bike already. But you may have another look here.
I think weight distribution vs. center of gravity is essentially a tomato/tomato potato/potato situation. Don't ask me how that works in type.
More fodder. Trebon's new bike, presumably fitted to him already.
@michael
I'm in the market for a 'cross bike and that Felt is giving me serious, SERIOUS carbone. Seeing it in my side, albeit with less saddle setback than I prefer, moves it from Carbone to Wantbone.
@frank
Especially considering the considerable thought I've given to SRAM on 'cross, and my well-established love for Zipp.
Do you think Trebon would mind if I "borrowed" it? Just for tonight? Just for a taste? He can even watch, if that helps close the deal.
I bet if you find him in your town he would let you test ride it if you gave him you car keys, phone and wife. If you and he made it to Portland, I know a Kona pro rider who knows him who would vouch for you for the test ride.