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Theory of Bike Fitting: Tall Riders Walk Their Own Path

Thor Hushovd

Fitting yourself to your bike properly and being comfortable while riding is probably the most important aspect of cycling. It doesn’t matter if you’re riding the Worlds Lightest Bike or your Clunker Rain Bike/commuter; if you feel good on your bike, it will be a pleasure to ride. My 10 kilo, 8-Speed Shimano 105, fender and mud-flap equipped Bianchi XL EV2 is almost as much a pleasure to ride as my 7 kilo Campy Record/Zipp 404 built  Cervelo R3 (as long as I don’t ride them side by side). It comes down to the fact that once you’re riding, all you know is how your bike feels, and the light weight and stiffness of my R3 is something I notice when I ride it, but I don’t miss it when I’m on my other bikes. All of my bikes are a pleasure to ride, and I personally believe that is due to the attention I have paid to getting my fit as perfect as I can.

I am a rather tall person by cyclist standards, and a dwarf by Basketball standards. I stand about 6’3″, have a relatively short torso, and have relatively long arms as compared to my torso, but normal for my total height. It seems to me that the American cycling industry has a very good idea how to fit a 5’10” rider to a 56cm frame. From there, it feels like most bike shops scale the model up or scale the model down from that point of reference. In my opinion, the US cycling industry is selling almost every bike customer the wrong bike. Tall riders have dramatically different biomechanics as do shorter people. The proportions and angles between limbs and torso don’t simply scale like you’re enlarging a photo of the same customer and fitting them to a proportionally bigger or smaller bike. Add to that the fact that the physics of the cycling world works against tall (and inevitably heavier) riders, and the problem of fitting yourself to a bike is compounded by the fact the fact that you’re a minority and the industry generally does not put priority on understanding what you need as a cyclist. The result is tall riders on frames that are too large and with handlebars that are too high.

My theory of bike fitting is very simple and is based on two principles:

  1. Bike stability is the key to a well-handling bike. Stability comes from three primary factors: angle of the head tube and rake of the fork, wheel base (the frame’s geometry), and – most importantly – center of mass of the entire rider/bicycle unit.
  2. Flex (and error) within the system increases (usually proportionally) with the length of the tubes involved. Basically, when you apply the same force to a short tube versus a long tube, the long tube will bend farther. Now, measures can be take to mitigate this issue, such as cramming a whole crapload of material near the highest stress points as you make the tubes longer, but any kluge you throw at the problem doesn’t change the fact: a longer tube is less efficient at transferring power than a shorter tube or the same dimensions.

I think most bike manufactures understand the second point and their mitigation strategies vary from using different tube sets for different frame sizes to applying more material (and making a relatively heavier bike) to the tubing. That’s fine, the Sasquatch in us taller riders can handle a little extra weight. The keys to bike fitting lie in the first point.

The difference between a tall and average rider's bar height

How does a cyclist lower their center of mass? Well, you can be shorter, that works pretty well. Or cut yourself off at the knees, but that has other side effects that I don’t want to get into right now. You could also lower the bottom bracket like Look and Eddy Merckx used to do (I think they raised their BB to the standard height recently).

Buth the real solution is that in most cases – at least in the cycling world, taller means lankier and that means that proportionally, the distances and angles between legs, arms, handlebars, saddles, and pedals start being very different – and should be much more extreme – than the scaled-up picture model of the 5’10” rider on a 56.

I have found over the last 23 years of riding that when I lower my bars, two things happen. First, I have better control over my machine. Second, I go faster. After having my bars as low as they would go on my R3 and consistently feeling they were a bit too high, I bought a 17 degree stem for my R3 which lowered my bars by 2cm- more than I thought I wanted. The results were astounding. Not only does my bike handle better, but I ride about 1-2kmph faster on flats and on climbs. The speed factor can be attributed to freakish bio-mechanics (that may be unique to my physiology) and/or increased aerodynamics, but the bike handling is, I believe, directly related to my lowered center of mass. In fact, John – who is also an Eros Poli-sized rider such as myself – noticed how good a low, aggressive position feels after borrowing one of my bikes during a visit to Seattle.

The bottom line is that you have to be comfortable on a bike, and that means different things to different people based on their size, flexibility, and style of riding. That said, I urge tall riders to experiment with riding the smallest frame you can while still getting enough saddle height and top tube length needed to ride efficiently – and then ride your bars as low as you can. If you need an example from the pros, take a look at Axel Merckx’s position (at the top of this post, as well as compared to Floyd Landis above), or keep in mind that Greg Rast on team Astana had Trek build him a frame with the dimensions of a 61cm frame with the head tube height of a 56cm frame – and slams his handlebar stem right down on his top tube.

It’s all about your center of mass, baby.

frank

The founder of Velominati and curator of The Rules, Frank was born in the Dutch colonies of Minnesota. His boundless physical talents are carefully canceled out by his equally boundless enthusiasm for drinking. Coffee, beer, wine, if it’s in a container, he will enjoy it, a lot of it. He currently lives in Seattle. He loves riding in the rain and scheduling visits with the Man with the Hammer just to be reminded of the privilege it is to feel completely depleted. He holds down a technology job the description of which no-one really understands and his interests outside of Cycling and drinking are Cycling and drinking. As devoted aesthete, the only thing more important to him than riding a bike well is looking good doing it. Frank is co-author along with the other Keepers of the Cog of the popular book, The Rules, The Way of the Cycling Disciple and also writes a monthly column for the magazine, Cyclist. He is also currently working on the first follow-up to The Rules, tentatively entitled The Hardmen. Email him directly at rouleur@velominati.com.

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  • I've been wondering about this more and more. I stand 5'10" and ride a 56cm frame, so I don't have that extra height or lanky issue, but I've always wondered if I wouldn't be more comfortable and efficient on a 54. As it is, I barely have my handlebars the requisite 4cm below the seat, but any more and my shoulders get stiff for days.

  • Oh Joyyyyyy! I hadn't seen this post. I'll go and get my notes.

    But remember kids, the most important thing is that you have to look good on the bike. For the Velominatus, there is normally always a compromise to be had, unless you go the custom frame approach and even then, those with less fortunate physiologies will still have to compromise.

  • I recently flipped my Deda stem over so that it has zero rise. I don't know if I go faster but I feel more like a racer than an "enthusiast" now. Come to think of it - after some issues with speed wobbles on my old frame I've become quite the pussy when it comes to descending - last Wednesday was the first time I did a big descent since flipping the stem over and it was the first time I have felt comfortable at 80kph in a long time. I'm usually OTB on long descents and this time I stayed with the leaders.

  • @Steampunk
    A lot of that has to do with your flexibility; if you can't go lower, then why bother? Also, you're on a 56 already, so your center of mass won't be too high. In a case like mine, that starts being a really seriously issue - as is the distance from the bars to the ground if they are too high; you start really having shimmy issues at speed. If you don't have problems, i wouldn't worry about it. But, Steve Bauer had a build like what you describe of yourself, and he always went small on his frames, so it is something to consider.

    @Jarvis
    Absolutely agree 100% (not sure how I missed your comment before?!) on all counts. Looking forward to you finding a minute and revealing to us what lies in those mysterious notes of yours!!

    @Cyclops
    This is exactly what I'm talking about! If you're tall and have stability issues, go low!!

  • @frank
    Thanks. My flexibility is getting better, the bigger issue is that it feels like I'm extending too far forward to rest comfortably on the drops. Maybe this is a flexibility thing, but I also wondered if they bars were just too far away and a 54cm would help me to be more comfortable. That, and Bauer is pretty cool. Still a legend in these parts, of course, too.

  • @Steampunk
    Bauer is LEGEND. What a stud! I have to do a piece on him. Of all the whinny bitches complaining about "bad luck", I've never known a happier, more talented cyclist with more truly - genuine - bad luck than Steve Bauer. I would have his kids in a heartbeat.

    One thing about "going low". I think one of the reasons - aside from lowering the center of gravity, is that you gain extra distance in your reach by dropping lower; so you are compensating for a relatively shorter top tube by going extra low to get some additional extension. So, if you are going low, you may want to get a shorter stem, too. Or use this as an excuse to get a new frame.

  • @frank Good advice on the stem. I just wanted to chime in and give some praise to Bauer. As an amateur he was already a hardman winning races and time trials by minutes and on top of that he was a really nice guy.

    Oh and Frank if you had his kids they would be some weird looking trolls...
    (I am throwing up all over the room)

  • @Steampunk

    @frank

    Have you guys read the latest Zinn letter over at Velonews? Pretty interesting related to tall riders and much more involved than bar/frame hieght. In fact, he posits that has much less to do with stability than other things. Good read: Zinn

  • @Rob
    What a stud that guy was! Man-oh-man! And we would handsome children.

    @Marko
    Yeah, thanks for posting that, it's an interesting read. John and I were discussing it a few days ago when everyone was in town.

    Honestly, I can't understand how this guy is considered to be the expert he is. In my humble opinion - and based off my own experience (above) he's so far off the mark, I can't begin to describe it.

    He is talking about exactly the oposite of what I'm covering here; he just keeps scaling up the frame/cranks etc to match the size of the rider, which is exactly what you don't want to do. (I think John figured Zinn would put him on 220mm cranks!) I'm about as tall as both those guys, and I've never experienced any of the handling problems they describe, in fact, my bikes handle incredibly well. Just drop those bars, baby!

    But, to be fair, this is just my theory - and it works for me - but that's really as far as it goes.

  • @frank

    I'm with you on the crank arm length. But what he says about weight distribution not being too far back and/or being too far aft of the pedal spindle seems to make sense. If that's the case, my simple mind thinks dropping the bars accomplishes the same thing. It shifts your weight and your mass forward. I think to the point, it may be a false assumption to say that larger frames handle worse than smaller ones and is more an issue of weight distribution and balance. Anyway, this could easily turn into one those long diatribical threads.

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