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To Carbone or Not To Carbone?

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That is the question. Are carbon wheels a viable option for everyday riding? Should carbon wheels be your go-to wheels rather than your just-for-racing wheels? I don’t really race and I don’t own any carbon wheels and I wonder. Granted, every professional is and has been on carbon wheels for many years so it’s easy to think we should be on them too. Brett’s review of ENVE wheels certainly made a case for them, who dosen’t want to go faster, all the time? Frank has raved about how fast his Zipp 303s are since he first put them on his Cervelo. I hefted his Café Roubaix Haleakala climbing wheels and one dosen’t need to heft them as much as hold them down, they are unbelievably light, sub-1000 grams light.

Those wheels are too light for the rigors of the East Maui Loop pavé and potholes, or so I thought. I talked Frank out of using them and he did the Cogal on Zipp 404s and 25mm clinchers. In retrospect, with bigger tires I think he would have been OK doing the Cogal on his climbing wheels. If ultralight carbon wheels are tough enough for that ride then when are they inappropriateAmbrosio golden ticket aluminum box section rims versus Zipp 303s, let’s see, Boonen just won Paris-Roubaix on the Zipp 404s. That is the end of the discussion. It should be the beginning of the end for three-cross box section aluminum wheels. If Zipp 303s win Paris-Roubaix then when wouldn’t one use carbon wheels?

@chiasticon-

Surprised to see so much talk of carbon wheels for a Cogal; which is, essentially, not much different than a club run. I understand Frank wanting to run them for his climb up Haleakala, since he was going for a PR up a huge friggin’ volcano and I’m sure they certainly helped. But as an every day wheel for a club/social/training ride? At least within the circles I ride in, that’s a good reason to get laughed off the ride (comments would especially come from the local racers). It’s like saying “I can’t keep up with you guys without these wheels!” Or at least that’s how people generally take it.

…but how common is it among Velominati to use carbon wheels on an everyday basis?

On the Cogal ride, out of seven riders there were two people on carbon wheels. On our Sunday club ride there is maybe one user. I see a lot of bikes on the site with drool-worthy carbon wheels. Are aluminum rims old school? Are we being played here or are we all just a little behind the times or are we saving our money for better bike investments? 

Strong, light, cheap. Pick two – I’m going to attribute this to Keith Bontrager as it was etched on my Bontrager’s stem cap. I’d like to add a fourth adjective, aerodynamic, but my tiny brain can’t compute how picking two or three might work so cleverly.

Strong

There are not many high end frames made from aluminum anymore. Could the same case be made for wheels? The aluminum box rim may be light but it is not strong unless you lace a lot of crossed spokes on it. I have some 80s Campagnolo Vento deep wheels, aero maybe, not light and the ride is a bit harsh. An unlaced carbon rim may not be lighter than a light weight aluminum rim but it is much stronger.

Light

I’m afraid carbon is going to win here. While a case could have been made for the Ambrosio golden ticket being strong, it is not light. There are some semi-aero aluminum wheels out there that are light but they make me nervous with their low weight limit.

Cheap

Boing! There it is. Strong and cheap is aluminum’s territory. One pays $1100US more for Easton’s Carbon EC90 SLX wheels than the aluminum EA 90 SLX wheelset. 200 grams is the only difference between the two models. If that was the end of the comparisons I wouldn’t lose any sleep over my lack of carbone wheels but there is still one other factor.

Aerodynamic

Carbon wins this easily. The carbon can be a fairing or integral to the wheel’s strength but carbon’s moldability is the future. Formula 1 cars are no longer made of aluminum. Boonen must have saved significant energy on the long paved run-in to the pavé sectors using his Zipps, maybe enough energy to help burn everyone off his wheel later on. @Tommy Tubulare’s Cervelo with Campagnolo Bora deep carbon wheels makes my heart skip a beat. Carbon wheels look badass. 

Conclusion

Once again I have no informed opinion having never ridden carbon wheels. Would I love to see my bike looking extremely pro with some deep section carbon wheels? Yes. Would it be very bad to be shelled out the back end of a group ride while riding said wheels? Yes, it would be very bad.

Should my wheels be worth more than the rest of the bike? Who cares. Let’s address @chiasticon’s question, who’s riding carbon and when?

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  • @Skip Great article. A must read. http://redkiteprayer.com/2011/12/thoughts-on-training-equipment/  I must admit I don't do carbone.  They're noisy, potentially high maintenance, and I guess I'm in the minority here, I don't like the look of deep section.  I'm riding gun-metal Shimano Ultegras that are bomb proof and they happily spit carboners out the back to the sound of silence.  I don't race (as this seems to be an important criteria to carbone or not to carbone) so if it's just for the aesthetic, i'll keep the 5-8k in my jeans and push harder!

  • A little off putting? Not that it matters - I'd need to take out some kind of mortgage to buy a pair.

  • @tessar Agreed.  Also, I remember reading somewhere that clinchers with light latex tubes actually have lower rolling resistance than tubulars, hence why Tony Martin used them on his TT World Champ bike last year.

    Admittedly, he did flat out twice, but according to the articles, any tire (tub or clincher) would have flatted based on what he hit.

  • @The Pressure

    @Skip Great article. A must read. http://redkiteprayer.com/2011/12/thoughts-on-training-equipment/ I must admit I don't do Carbone. They're noisy, potentially high maintenance, and I guess I'm in the minority here, I don't like the look of deep section. I'm riding gun-metal Shimano Ultegras that are bomb proof and they happily spit carboners out the back to the sound of silence. I don't race (as this seems to be an important criteria to Carbone or not to Carbone) so if it's just for the aesthetic, i'll keep the 5-8k in my jeans and push harder!

    Awesome quotes here and very relevant.  I am reading the word helmet to not mean the cycling kind!!!

    Why spend $5000 (or more) on a bike and then ride it in a cheap pair of bibs and with crap wheels? Who would only use an $800 GPS on their big rides? My wife would shoot me if I only wore my good helmet on the weekend.

    Owning a great set of wheels or a killer pair of bibs means having the tools to enjoy a better experience. If this blog is about anything, it's about enjoying cycling. You shouldn't suffer because your cheap saddle is uncomfortable. You should suffer because you drilled it at the front with the group single file behind you for 2k.

    I've never been in the army, but I think they had it right: Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

  • @mouse

    @EricW

    @roger

    @EricW can you post some shots of this lady in the bikes section? i wish i went with traditional rather than sloping..

    I have posted a few pics, I don't want to flood the forum with my own bike. You can see a few more shots here http://velospace.org/node/45549

    Nah, Fuck that. Flood away. Like this...

    Fucking stealth bomber!!  Maybe you could talk to the gang at Lampre...

  • Rider weight tubular tires (ZIPP reference)
    <125 lbs (200 lbs(>91 kg) F 140psi (9.72) R 145psi (10)
    Rain or rough Roads Minus 3-5 psi Minus 4-7 psi

  • Rider weight tubular tires
    <125 lbs (200 lbs(>91 kg) F 140psi (9.72) R 145psi (10)
    Rain or rough Roads Minus 3-5 psi Minus 4-7 psi

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