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To Carbone or Not To Carbone?

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That is the question. Are carbon wheels a viable option for everyday riding? Should carbon wheels be your go-to wheels rather than your just-for-racing wheels? I don’t really race and I don’t own any carbon wheels and I wonder. Granted, every professional is and has been on carbon wheels for many years so it’s easy to think we should be on them too. Brett’s review of ENVE wheels certainly made a case for them, who dosen’t want to go faster, all the time? Frank has raved about how fast his Zipp 303s are since he first put them on his Cervelo. I hefted his Café Roubaix Haleakala climbing wheels and one dosen’t need to heft them as much as hold them down, they are unbelievably light, sub-1000 grams light.

Those wheels are too light for the rigors of the East Maui Loop pavé and potholes, or so I thought. I talked Frank out of using them and he did the Cogal on Zipp 404s and 25mm clinchers. In retrospect, with bigger tires I think he would have been OK doing the Cogal on his climbing wheels. If ultralight carbon wheels are tough enough for that ride then when are they inappropriateAmbrosio golden ticket aluminum box section rims versus Zipp 303s, let’s see, Boonen just won Paris-Roubaix on the Zipp 404s. That is the end of the discussion. It should be the beginning of the end for three-cross box section aluminum wheels. If Zipp 303s win Paris-Roubaix then when wouldn’t one use carbon wheels?

@chiasticon-

Surprised to see so much talk of carbon wheels for a Cogal; which is, essentially, not much different than a club run. I understand Frank wanting to run them for his climb up Haleakala, since he was going for a PR up a huge friggin’ volcano and I’m sure they certainly helped. But as an every day wheel for a club/social/training ride? At least within the circles I ride in, that’s a good reason to get laughed off the ride (comments would especially come from the local racers). It’s like saying “I can’t keep up with you guys without these wheels!” Or at least that’s how people generally take it.

…but how common is it among Velominati to use carbon wheels on an everyday basis?

On the Cogal ride, out of seven riders there were two people on carbon wheels. On our Sunday club ride there is maybe one user. I see a lot of bikes on the site with drool-worthy carbon wheels. Are aluminum rims old school? Are we being played here or are we all just a little behind the times or are we saving our money for better bike investments? 

Strong, light, cheap. Pick two – I’m going to attribute this to Keith Bontrager as it was etched on my Bontrager’s stem cap. I’d like to add a fourth adjective, aerodynamic, but my tiny brain can’t compute how picking two or three might work so cleverly.

Strong

There are not many high end frames made from aluminum anymore. Could the same case be made for wheels? The aluminum box rim may be light but it is not strong unless you lace a lot of crossed spokes on it. I have some 80s Campagnolo Vento deep wheels, aero maybe, not light and the ride is a bit harsh. An unlaced carbon rim may not be lighter than a light weight aluminum rim but it is much stronger.

Light

I’m afraid carbon is going to win here. While a case could have been made for the Ambrosio golden ticket being strong, it is not light. There are some semi-aero aluminum wheels out there that are light but they make me nervous with their low weight limit.

Cheap

Boing! There it is. Strong and cheap is aluminum’s territory. One pays $1100US more for Easton’s Carbon EC90 SLX wheels than the aluminum EA 90 SLX wheelset. 200 grams is the only difference between the two models. If that was the end of the comparisons I wouldn’t lose any sleep over my lack of carbone wheels but there is still one other factor.

Aerodynamic

Carbon wins this easily. The carbon can be a fairing or integral to the wheel’s strength but carbon’s moldability is the future. Formula 1 cars are no longer made of aluminum. Boonen must have saved significant energy on the long paved run-in to the pavé sectors using his Zipps, maybe enough energy to help burn everyone off his wheel later on. @Tommy Tubulare’s Cervelo with Campagnolo Bora deep carbon wheels makes my heart skip a beat. Carbon wheels look badass. 

Conclusion

Once again I have no informed opinion having never ridden carbon wheels. Would I love to see my bike looking extremely pro with some deep section carbon wheels? Yes. Would it be very bad to be shelled out the back end of a group ride while riding said wheels? Yes, it would be very bad.

Should my wheels be worth more than the rest of the bike? Who cares. Let’s address @chiasticon’s question, who’s riding carbon and when?

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  • @EricW Just like he could flat if he took a track tubular with no protection whatsoever to the roads - it's a tradeoff between puncture-resistance and speed. There's a huge range of choices between Vittoria's Pista and Rubino, or Tony's World Championship winning Continental Supersonic TT and 4-Seasons.

  • I'm lucky enough that I could have carbon wheels if I wanted them but I find high profile wheels to be ugly and I don't race so this bias doesn't have any negative effect on my personal version of VLVV.  That leaves me with low profile - purchased some custom low profile alloy wheels that were as light as some carbon options but saved over $1K.

    I don't need aero advantage - I live in Flatonia so the only local hills I experience are the Dutch Hills caused by steady winds. This was posted months ago during a discussion of why the Netherlands fields good climbers but is mostly flat - it deserves another time in the sun:

  • @Chance

    @Chance

    I have a pair of mavic open pro's laced up to dura ace hubs. They were handbuilt by a wheelmaker who knew what he was doing and they rock my jocks every day. Heavy, yes, but so strong and fun to ride.

    Maybe its just because I'm a bigger rider, but I find it hilarious that ~1750g wheels are referred to as 'heavy'.  I was thrilled when I got my HD C2/CK R45s and they came in at 1711g.

  • @DrewG

    A little off putting? Not that it matters - I'd need to take out some kind of mortgage to buy a pair.

    I remember the first time I saw that photo I couldn't decided if I was looking at a bike race or a Salvador Dali painting.

  • @Mikael Liddy

    @Barracuda hmmm, pretty sure I remember seeing a photo of you rocking the fiasco ciclismo kit on the photo comp thread...that's definitely not black!

    I do agree with you on the waves of lust that a pair of Enves can produce though...

    Nah ... not me.... mate I ride with rolls in the Fiasco kit ....and Rapha, and Assos .... he's living the dream

  • I got to think about this article when out riding the past few days. I recently has the chance to make a huge upgrade from some Budgetatus wheels I'd ridden for three years to some much nicer Kysrium SuperLights. Got a great deal on them, much nicer, and a good all-around wheelset for me & the riding I do. These wheels (new) cost around 6-7 times what the old wheels cost me.

    They are the nicest road wheelset I have & I've never considered using them for anything but my everyday wheels on my #1. Thus, I don't think you can consider anyone a total jerk for riding really nice Carbones all the time. Maybe they just suit their needs.

  • @VeloVita

    @unversio

    Login is acting funky these days on Safari. And posts.

    I've been having the same issue, both on Safari and Chrome.

    Brought the same iMac home and appears to be corrected when connected to ethernet.

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