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To Carbone or Not To Carbone?

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That is the question. Are carbon wheels a viable option for everyday riding? Should carbon wheels be your go-to wheels rather than your just-for-racing wheels? I don’t really race and I don’t own any carbon wheels and I wonder. Granted, every professional is and has been on carbon wheels for many years so it’s easy to think we should be on them too. Brett’s review of ENVE wheels certainly made a case for them, who dosen’t want to go faster, all the time? Frank has raved about how fast his Zipp 303s are since he first put them on his Cervelo. I hefted his Café Roubaix Haleakala climbing wheels and one dosen’t need to heft them as much as hold them down, they are unbelievably light, sub-1000 grams light.

Those wheels are too light for the rigors of the East Maui Loop pavé and potholes, or so I thought. I talked Frank out of using them and he did the Cogal on Zipp 404s and 25mm clinchers. In retrospect, with bigger tires I think he would have been OK doing the Cogal on his climbing wheels. If ultralight carbon wheels are tough enough for that ride then when are they inappropriateAmbrosio golden ticket aluminum box section rims versus Zipp 303s, let’s see, Boonen just won Paris-Roubaix on the Zipp 404s. That is the end of the discussion. It should be the beginning of the end for three-cross box section aluminum wheels. If Zipp 303s win Paris-Roubaix then when wouldn’t one use carbon wheels?

@chiasticon-

Surprised to see so much talk of carbon wheels for a Cogal; which is, essentially, not much different than a club run. I understand Frank wanting to run them for his climb up Haleakala, since he was going for a PR up a huge friggin’ volcano and I’m sure they certainly helped. But as an every day wheel for a club/social/training ride? At least within the circles I ride in, that’s a good reason to get laughed off the ride (comments would especially come from the local racers). It’s like saying “I can’t keep up with you guys without these wheels!” Or at least that’s how people generally take it.

…but how common is it among Velominati to use carbon wheels on an everyday basis?

On the Cogal ride, out of seven riders there were two people on carbon wheels. On our Sunday club ride there is maybe one user. I see a lot of bikes on the site with drool-worthy carbon wheels. Are aluminum rims old school? Are we being played here or are we all just a little behind the times or are we saving our money for better bike investments? 

Strong, light, cheap. Pick two – I’m going to attribute this to Keith Bontrager as it was etched on my Bontrager’s stem cap. I’d like to add a fourth adjective, aerodynamic, but my tiny brain can’t compute how picking two or three might work so cleverly.

Strong

There are not many high end frames made from aluminum anymore. Could the same case be made for wheels? The aluminum box rim may be light but it is not strong unless you lace a lot of crossed spokes on it. I have some 80s Campagnolo Vento deep wheels, aero maybe, not light and the ride is a bit harsh. An unlaced carbon rim may not be lighter than a light weight aluminum rim but it is much stronger.

Light

I’m afraid carbon is going to win here. While a case could have been made for the Ambrosio golden ticket being strong, it is not light. There are some semi-aero aluminum wheels out there that are light but they make me nervous with their low weight limit.

Cheap

Boing! There it is. Strong and cheap is aluminum’s territory. One pays $1100US more for Easton’s Carbon EC90 SLX wheels than the aluminum EA 90 SLX wheelset. 200 grams is the only difference between the two models. If that was the end of the comparisons I wouldn’t lose any sleep over my lack of carbone wheels but there is still one other factor.

Aerodynamic

Carbon wins this easily. The carbon can be a fairing or integral to the wheel’s strength but carbon’s moldability is the future. Formula 1 cars are no longer made of aluminum. Boonen must have saved significant energy on the long paved run-in to the pavé sectors using his Zipps, maybe enough energy to help burn everyone off his wheel later on. @Tommy Tubulare’s Cervelo with Campagnolo Bora deep carbon wheels makes my heart skip a beat. Carbon wheels look badass. 

Conclusion

Once again I have no informed opinion having never ridden carbon wheels. Would I love to see my bike looking extremely pro with some deep section carbon wheels? Yes. Would it be very bad to be shelled out the back end of a group ride while riding said wheels? Yes, it would be very bad.

Should my wheels be worth more than the rest of the bike? Who cares. Let’s address @chiasticon’s question, who’s riding carbon and when?

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  • Dura Ace C24 CL shod with 25's for Gran Fondo and other long rides - sub 1400 gr carbon/aluminum composites. I have a set of Bontrager RXL's that I just can't kill that I use for rough training rides and bad weather.

  • I say embrace your inner Carbone!

    I have a set of ENVE 6.7 tubulars which are absolutely amazing.  They are more or less my everyday wheels during the summer and nice weather. I use alloy clinchers during the winter and wet weather to avoid premature wear of the ENVE's brake track.  With such an investment, you want them to last as long as possible.

    Carbone or go home!

  • Interesting tidbit about Dura Ace carbon rims (and maybe others).

    They use the same amount of carbon for the shallow, mid, and deep section version of their rims. It's thicker in the C24 and thinner in the C50.

  • @roger

    and @gianni, hate to tell you but i hate the 7 star boras. nothing about that wheelset calls to me or makes me wiggle

    damn you roger! Hate is a strong word. But that's OK, it might be some weird genetic campy thing with me but the Enve all black wheels give me considerable tumescence too. Daddy want.

    Those red rims are fantastic. Yeah, I'd have to agree about the stainless spokes and silver hubs. Most bitchin'.

  • @Marcus

    Like others, cannot see the point of carbon clinchers. They seem like a dirty little compromise - and lend themselves to being ridden by arseholes who don't race their bikes but like being seen as fast or cool in their regular bunch. "I dont want to fuck about with tubbies on my regular rides but i want to have carbon wheels". I have the feeling that most alu/carbon clinchers are very rarely called upon to provide aerodynamic benefit because they are invariably ridden by cunts hiding in big bunches going slow. Those are the same sort of areseholes that Gunny Hartman said wouldn't even have the common courtesy to provide a reacharound...

    Are you lookin' at me? Because I don't see anyone else you might be lookin' at.

    Yeah, carbone clinchers do seem like a bad compromise. And once again you deserve some medal for working the term "reacharound" into a discussion of carbon wheels. 

    I remember fondling a set of Bontrager deep carbon wheels and realizing it was all fairing covering a regular wheel and being deeply offended. Get the Enve wheels. You will command the utmost respect on the road.

  • Fred the arsehole cunt here!!

    I recently got hold of some Zipp 404 full carbone clinchers, never thought they could be worth the cost, but how wrong I was they are awesome. You do have to have the guns to use the aero wheels they really come into their own at 40kph or more! I tested them on the rollers over 1 hour and got 2.5km further than usual doing the same set of intervals. They are strong yet compliant, light enough to climb, about 1535gms, and they look and sound amazing!

    I do however have Easton SLX90s in Alu @ 1235gms for climbing which I also rate highly, and Most Wildcats @1850gms for training, I try and ride the training wheels but somehow the race wheels spend quite a bit of time on No.1, Train heavy race Light is good advice.

  • Back in the day it was all tubs all the time but for training it was shot rims and cut up race tires or tank like cheap Czech Barums. On race day the good and light wheels made the bike feel like a throughbred.

    Now it's clinchers and alu and only one set so I never get that feeling. since i not longer race i can see how one pair of carbons with tubs would put one in that place place permanently and since they now seem to be bullit proof why not? It seems I will have to forgo a new car to make this happen...

  • @EricW can you post some shots of this lady in the bikes section?  i wish i went with traditional rather than sloping..

  • @piwakawaka

    You do realise that there isn't too much in the way of aerodynamic resistance on rollers? Why? Because you don't displace air when you don't fucking move.

    Any difference in your experiment results would have been caused your relative power outputs - with a tiny bit from differing rolling resistance.

    Dont doubt they are ripper wheels though. Keep it up Freddy boy.

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