The flat back position is perhaps the greatest lie ever told in sport, provided you ignore any of the racing we’ve seen in the last decade or two.
It is possible, I suppose, that when we talk about a flat back, what we really mean is that on an elementary level, all curves are really just a series of straight segments connected at an angle; while a rider’s back may look arched, it really is flat in an existential sense.
Because no one really rides with a flat back. Even riders who famously rode with a flat back, like Greg LeMond, actually rode with only the upper portion of their backs flat. In fact, the only rider I can think of who was as happy as a Texan in an Amgen factory while riding with a truly flat back was The Gypsy himself. It bears mentioning, however, that a search through the Velominati Archives shows only intermittent evidence of him riding with a truly flat back.
If you’ve ever tried to get your back completely flat, you’ll have noticed that it feels awful. Your shoulders tense up, your hips roll forward. It certainly doesn’t do your bits any favors. As you try to accelerate, your shoulders and hips tense up even more in an effort to keep the back as flat as possible.
There is a very simple explanation for this: The V abhors a straight line; it requires smooth curves in order to flow freely from the various V-Receptacles spread throughout your body and into the guns where it is processed and converted into Monumental Devastation.
As you pursue the V-Locus, keep the following points in mind:
And yes, Cycling is hell for your posture. If that’s what you’re after, take up yoga.
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@Jeff in PetroMetro
Nice rides there!
Hope you don't mind, I had a play with your steed's to compare then and now. I do this to check transferring set ups from one to another. The only thing is that if one bike is leaning over more you get distortion.
Looks like the the saddle to bar drop the same, Mercian higher than the Look. Crank arm length may even this out?
@sthilzy Wow what a useful comparison...I would have thought there are loads of ppl out there who have a couple of bikes of different geometries who would be really interested in a comparison like that...
How do you do it?
@DerHoggz
Yeah, found the motherload of old pics.
@sthilzy
That's a cool analysis! The pics were taken at different angles. I was below the Mercian. I was above the LOOK. And I used two different cameras, so the distances away from the bikes are pretty different. I'll shoot a pic of the LOOK at the exact spot that I shot the Mercian. I'll do the same with my Cervelo, too. I'll post all that over at The Bikes and try to get each bike lined up.
i sit up on the LOOK just a little bit more than on any other bike these days. As I get older, sitting up feels a bit more comfortable.
@Jeff in PetroMetro Let's hope I can do them justice!
Sitting up a bit, yeah, I think that's why I like my cross bike so much.
@Marcus
Amazingly, that seems to be a common-enough saying that when you google "cannon in a canoe" you get a bunch of pictures of people doing yoga.
And this.
@piwakawaka
I was just talking to G'rilla about a bike fit he's doing for a custom CX. Since my core got stronger, I've realized that I'm usually really just pulling on my bars; I can easily maintain my position riding without having my arms on the bars. That translates to being able to be much more effective in how you deal with shocks and bumps because you're not just pile-driving your front wheel into obstacles.
Handy for the pavé and CX for sure.
Even the shitty core work I do has helped tremendously. Also, when I used to commute with my backpack before I did those exercises, my back would be killing me (there is quite a lot of climbing on my route) and these days I arrive at the office/home feeling just fine. Good stuff.
@Jeff in PetroMetro
That. Look. Is. The. Sweetest. Fucking. Thing. Wow. Down to the white pedals, very LeMond '86. And that Mercian...wow wow wow.
(BTW, your front skewer is not fixed correctly.)
@sthilzy
fella set yourself up a paypal account, make ppl submit two photos and charge £5 by return to do this. I will be your first customer! I would be really curious about the difference in geometry between my n#1 and n#2!
@frank
Which reminds of the Python gag about American beer being like sex in a canoe...