Most great ideas in life are accompanied by an unforeseen consequence of equal or greater magnitude. For instance, no one predicted that the Industrial Revolution would pollute our air and set off climate change on a global scale. Similarly, no one realized that when placing unfathomable computing power in the palm of our hands in the form of smart phones, it would gridlock traffic as people sit idle at green lights while updating their Facebook statuses. But most of all, no one anticipated that the invention of the Internet would reveal an entire population of people who can judge the quality of a rider’s position simply by looking at a photograph of the bicycle itself. That’s quite a Carnacian talent, one that might have saved the great Eddy Merckx quite a bit of time and hassle.
Legions of people have tried their hand at methodizing bike fitting for the obvious reason that it is theoretically possible and sounds nice and tidy. The problem is that we don’t understand the alchemy of biomechanics, aerodynamics, and physiology that determines the rider’s optimal position. As it stands, bike fitting is more art than it is science where experimentation informed by performance is the only way to get things perfect.
Eddy Merckx was famous for being relentlessly obsessive about his position. A Sunday in Hell and La Course en Tete both show him at work setting up his bikes; measuring the angle of his saddle with a spirit level and basing the height of his saddle and bars from the top tube instead of the more customary measure from the bottom bracket.
In contrast, Sean Kelly was known for giving his frame builders one measurement only: the height from the center of the front axle to the center of his handlebar stem; he felt that so long as he could get his bars at the right height, he could work out all the other dimensions as well. I used this method for years, until I realized that changing the bottom bracket height changes this measurement directly; every centimeter in bottom bracket height dropped increases the effective height of the bars by the same amount.
The fact is, our position is determined by the three points in space by which we are connected to our machine: the bars, the saddle, and the pedals. The frame, stem, cranks, and seatpost are just a means of holding them at the precise coordinates we determine for them. Replicating a position precisely from bike to bike is a challenge that I have yet to meet; I have gotten close, but I have never gotten it perfect.
The critical distances are the saddle height, bar drop, the reach to the handlebars, and the distance the saddle sits behind the bottom bracket (setback). To get my position as close as possible between machines, I standardize all my contact points; I use the same saddle, bars, and crank length on all my bikes which lets me eliminate those variables from the equation. Standardizing on a saddle, for instance, allows me to measure the saddle height from the bottom bracket to the center of the saddle rail which is less error-prone than measuring to the top of the saddle. Then I measure saddle setback using a plumb line and drawing marks on the floor to indicated where the bottom bracket sits and where the tip of the saddle is (the distance between them is the setback.) Then I measure the vertical height of the saddle to the ground and measure the height of the handlebars to the ground; the difference between these two numbers is the bar drop irrespective of bottom bracket height. (If you know the difference in BB height you can also add/subtract that difference from the axle-bar measurement.) Finally, I measure the distance from the tip of the saddle to the center of the bars.
In order to replicate this on another frame, I start with the saddle height, then setback, iterating between the two as you zero in on the correct measurement (sliding the saddle fore and aft will affect its height slightly; raising and lowering the saddle will affect the setback). Then I set the bar height, and then reach, also iterating on these two as the rise of the stem will mean you lose bar drop as you increase or decrease the length of the stem.
It all takes time, and unless you are using identical frames, you’ll never get it completely right. But you can get close. Also, you can consider the approach of caring whether your position is the same on all your bikes or not. I have friends for whom this works and who even enjoy having different positions on different bikes. They claim it lets them appreciate the different personalities of their various bikes. This approach is obviously completely incompatible with my personality type but does, on the surface of it, appear to be quite a lot easier than my approach.
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@freddy
@freddy Nice one Red
@Geraint
Close but not quite exact is a good thing - it always gives you an excuse to go to wherever you keep your bikes and fiddle with them. Measure, measure, compare, adjust, ad infinitum. It is indeed the basis of the lifelong pursuit of the virtually unattainable goal of perfection.
@pneaumme
In defense of Frank, you opened a Pandora's box of nerdness with that first post. I'm just relieved my comment on anal retentiveness flew under the radar.
@Ccos
Don't be so sure. Everything, and every article, that's recorded on this site is available for resuscitation. As can be evidenced by the posts made in the wee hours.
@Bespoke Heh-heh! True my brother, especially when there is a target audience.
I got into road cycling on a fixed gear about 1.5 yrs ago. Fitment was "seems good enough [buys online]". Then, I made it worse (better?) by trying to emulate bikes I saw on pedalroom, none of which was for a rider who looked anything like me (about 60 lbs overweight). Stem slammed, narrow bars, etc. But I got on , and rode, and it all sorta worked out.
When I bought a road bike with an actual proper fitting included, it just felt weird. Too comfortable. And then after putting in miles on the road bike, I felt real wrong on the track bike with 38cm bars when I rode it to work the next day.
Nowadays I like taking both out for their different personalites. Is either fit "wrong?"
I think they're suited to their purpose. It's nice to feel comfy for rides over 50k. Bombing traffic in a riding position like a monkey fucking a football works for the "tarck" bike.
Horses for courses camp, here.
@strathlubnaig
@strathlubnaig +1
@freddy, Now do your curtsy!
@Frank, not quoting post #32 because, well I'm just not, it boarders on all wrong for the right reasons that I don't understand but may have to do with late night shenanagans in NJ, now years ago! Cheers.
@Nate
Best example of being Casually Deliberate EVER.
@Ccos
Because his name is "Ugo de Rosa" and he will be setting up Merckx's own bike building business for him a few years later.