Velominati Super Prestige: Giro d’Italia 2012
After a winter of long training rides that offered more in the way of numb extremities than it did in acute enjoyment, I have to say that the warming of the air and brightening of the skies have served to remind me that while I love riding in bad weather, I certainly don’t have anything against riding when its nice out.
But dont think for a minute that this quells my desire to watch the Pros battle the elements as well as each other and, quite frankly, after a Spring Classics campaign that gave us only fleeting tastes of Rule #9 Glory, I welcome the arrival of the 2012 Giro d’Italia which holds the distinction of being held in the worst weather and over the worst roads. Come July, I’ll get just as wound up as anyone about the biggest racing spectacle of the year, but in my heart, the Giro d’Italia is the best Grand Tour of the three.
All that said, I’m a little disappointed to see that the Giro starts in Denmark. Not that I have anything against Denmark – lovely place – it’s just that this choice takes us away from the classical Giro opening week involving a mountaintop finish or two and gives us a Tour de France-style opening week of flat stages and crosswinds. We’ll have to wait almost two weeks before we start seeing the riders cross the highest passes and hitting the uphill finishes, though the final week does appear to set us up for considerable fireworks as the second-last stage will see the riders cross the Mortirolo and finish atop the Stelvio.
What does this mean for the VSP? Quite a bit, actually. Bearing in mind the changes we’ve made to the Rest-Day picks from the years past, it means that as the race settles out, those who have made changes to their lineup on the first rest day will not have the opportunity to do so again on the second rest day. And, those who wait for the second day will see steep penalties tallying up against their totals. But on the line is a Symbol Pack, the chance to post for the rest of year with the Maglia Rosa VSP Badge and, of course, the grand prize of the personalized Shop Apron. Check the start list and with any divine beings that you might be able to influence, and then get your picks in by the time the countdown timer goes to zero at 5am Pacific on the 5th May.
For reference, please review the new Grand Tour scoring and penalty guidelines. Also note that since these new rules required new coding and this represents the first Grand Tour, there is always the chance that there are defects in the code. Watch your picks and your points as we move through the event and alert us of any anomalies. If your points seem wrong, use the dispute function to alert us of the matter; complaints in the posts feed to this effect will be ignored. Finally, don’t leave anything to the last minute so we have time to fix any problems before its too late. Good luck.
Scoring:
Readers who wish to enter shall enter their predictions for the top five placings on General Classification of each Grand Tour by 5am on the day of the first stage or prologue.
Points
Points will be scored as follows: 20 points for first place, 15 for second, 10 for third, 7 for fourth, and 5 for fifth; plus 3 points per rider in the top five regardless of the rider’s placing, but riders are not scored twice.
Changing of the Picks*
Contestants are allowed to make line up changes on one of the rest days of the Grand Tours but not both. These changes will come with a point penalty. You will be allotted one (1) rest day to make swaps in grand tours. You pick either the first or second rest day. The penalties for swapping will be lower for the first rest day than the second. This will allow you to swap out a rider(s) who gets caught in some first week nervousness with a 5 point penalty for each swap. Or make some go for broke/doomed to fail break-away swap on the second rest day for a 10 point penalty per swap. You make one swap or five on either rest day for the corresponding 5 or 10 point penalty per swap.
Additionally, if one of your riders crashes out, DNF’s, or DNS’s, you may swap them out on a rest day with corresponding penalties if you haven’t already used up your one rest day swap. The only exception to this is riders who are booted from a race for a positive test; if your rider is on the juice and gets chucked off the race, you get a free swap of that rider within 24 hours of the disqualification.
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@xyxax
Question mark?
(Giggles like a little girl)
VSP PICKS:
1. Rodriguez
2. Scarponi
3. Basso
4. Cunego
5. Kreuziger
@xyxax
Couldn’t resist the above… We have 3 of the same picks and you probably have better 4th and 5th place.
I wish I new more about some of the lesser names as I think this race is open to one of them. I don’t think I am going to move into the top 100 on the VSP comp.
Any Russian speakers here? This is bugging me. Катюша…everyone pronounces it “Kat-OO-sha”. I thought the Russian letter “ÑŽ” was pronounced “yoo”? So wouldn’t it be “Kat-YOO-sha”? Of course, it’s been twenty years since I had a Russian class, so maybe I’m just old and feeble.
VSP PICKS:
1. Cunego
2. Kreuziger
3. My Little ‘Poni
4. Hesjedal
5. Gadret
@Marcus
What about those cheating fucks Basso and Scarponi? I hate to put My Little Poni in but I’m going to have at just for the points as the rest of my picks are the picks of a demented person. I’ve already bad mouthed Cunego, Basso and Kreuziger so I have to go weird.
VSP PICKS:
1. hesjedal
2. scarponi
3. visconti
4. j rod
5. jacky bobby
@mouse
I didn’t put him in because I don’t think he’ll win. He had an exceptional Giro last year, but I think he also exceeded all expectations. AG2R is in shambles. Roche will never finish top five in a Grand Tour. And surprised by all the love Cunego is receiving. Really?
VSP PICKS:
1. M. Scarponi
2. I. Basso
3. J. Rodriguez
4. R, Hesjedal
5. G. Visconti
@Rob
Serves me right for trying to be a smart-arse.
I have to say the possibilities weren’t overly inspiring for this one, like having to choose between dry weet-a-bix and cold oatmeal for breakfast. But the race itself should be great.
@Steampunk
Exactly. As I picked Cunego, I thought “is this what it’s come to?”.
@Sauterelle
You are correct, there is a y-glide in ÑŽ so “Kat-YU-sha” is a better pronunciation, although the y sound is a bit subtle.
@Sauterelle
Although as I think about it it’s more like “ka-TYU-sha” than “kat-YU-sha.”
Wow, it’s here! The first GT of 2012. I’m still hardly settled with the KT & the Spring Classics. Setting my calendar, and life, to the PRO cycling tour is fuckin’ awesome. “So, today is Saturday…what’s goin’ on…OH the GIRO is starting!”
Boss.
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. Kreuziger
3. Scarponi
4. Schleck F.
5. J. Rod
This
@mouse
And this.
@xyxax
VSP PICKS:
1. Michele Scarponi
2. John Gadret
3. Roman Kreuziger
4. Joaquim Rodriguez
5. Frank Schleck
Goin’ out on a limb with Purito… but with this field I think it just might be his chance to nab a career defining victory. Also excited to see what kind of damage little Rujano can do in the mountains.
VSP PICKS:
1. JRod
2. Scarps
3. Gadret
4. Kreuziger
5. Hesjedal
VSP PICKS:
1. Scarponi
2. Basso
3. J Rodriguez
4. Ryder
5. Kreuziger
VSP PICKS:
1. Scarponi
2. J. Rod
3. Kreuziger
4. Hesjedal
5. Gadret
VSP PICKS:
1. Scarponi
2. Purito
3. Basso
4. Kreuziger
5. Cunego
For some reason I can’t get myself excited bout the Giro this year.
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. Scarponi
3. Joaquim Rodriguez
4. Kreuziger
5. Schleck
VSP PICKS:
1. Scarponi
2. Kreuziger
3. Basso
4. Rodriguez
5. Uran
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. Scaponi
3. Rujano
4. Kruziger
5. Rodriguez
@Nate
And we are allowed to discuss cycling? Pat McQuaid and the WADA will never stand for this. I expected that these messageboard’s spiritual home was fully compliant!
Here are my picks.
I can go back to being bummed out that MCA is dead now.
VSP PICKS:
1. Kreuziger
2. J-Rod
3. Scarponi
4. Pinotti
5. Hesjedal
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. scarponi
3. Joaquin Rodriguez
4. Ryder hesjedal
5. Frank Schleck
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. scarponi
3. Joaquin Rodriguez
4. Roman Kreuziger
5. Frank Schleck
VSP PICKS:
1. Rodriguez
2. Cunego
3. Basso
4. Scarponi
5. Schleck
VSP PICKS:
1. scarponi
2. basso
3. schleck f.
4. cunego
5. pinotti
Some last minute changes.
VSP PICKS:
1. Old Style (it IS Kreuz-ened)
2. Ace of Bass (o)
3. Michele Wild Poni
4. J.Rod
5. Canhego?
Ok, I’ve heard of the wisdom of crowds and you lot seem to be picking very similar people so perhaps I should listen. But en Enfer with it, I won’t:
VSP PICKS:
1. Rigoberto Uran
2. Enrico Gasporotto
3. Marco Bandiera
4. Stefano Pirazzi
5. Thomas De Gendt
VSP PICKS:
1. Scarponi
2. Basso
3. J Rod
4. F Schleck
5. Kreuziger
VSP PICKS:
1. Basso
2. Kreuziger
3. Scarponi
4. The Lil’ Prince (D. Cunego)
5. J. Rod
Spent all week thinking I must get onto it, and didn’t. Have now drunk too much beer to think seriously about it, but will not be sober before bids close. Not well planned. Hail Mary, full of grace …
VSP PICKS:
1. My Little Pony
2. Itty Bitty Purito
3. Judas Gadret
4. Mrs Shleck’s Eldest
5. Roamin’ K
@The Fish
Listen up peeps-the leader has chosen.
Any chance we could have a summary of picks (A top 3 or 5 most frequently chosen riders for each of the five prediction slots, with their frequency?)
Would be interesting to see who the popular choices are, and whether people agree on who is definitely a podium contender or not!
@marko
Unfortunately The Fish has not entered in any arguments on this thread and must therefore be relegated. Right Minion?
Picks without posts? Yawn…
@Nate
Yes, that’s what I meant. Thanks!
Hey Frank et al, have anyone thought of awarding the maglia nera or the lanturne rouge?
Just a thought.
Let’s get this race a going!!
In case anyone is looking for a way to watch, the Gazzetta dello Sport website has live video in Italian (here) and I also got the iPhone/iPad app which has live video as well. All for free…
@G’phant
Sometimes it works out better when you don’t waste a bunch of time trying to outsmart yourself.
Why does this feel so wrong? Sitting in Germany, drinking an American beer, watching the Giro d’Italia being held in Denmark.
At least it’s a Leinenkugel.
@Jonny
Well played. The herd think is incredible. I fall to it myself, except I manage to engineer a subtle change to the picks that results in zero points. So there’s that. But a tip of the helmet to you for breaking from the herd. And picking absolute crap riders.
@Bill
WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GET A LEINIE IN GERMANY? I grew up on that shit. When they came out with the bock, we all freaked out because it had actual flavor.
Just went to their site. They have all weirdo beers now. Used to just be Lienie and the bock.
@Bill
I’m so sorry!
@taon24
Interesting question, so I ran a few queries. Not 100 sure I did this right, but the numbers seem to add up correctly and it is close enough to at least give you an idea of who few of us pick unique riders.
Two ways to look at this data; by pick count by rank (i.e. how many people picked Scarples for first, Basso for first, etc…) or just by frequency of picks across all ranks.
First, we’ll look at count by rank:
Now for just how frequently they were picked, ignoring their rank.
@frank
Wait, people picked Andy Schleck?
@Netraam
A quick look into the database does show that a number of people picked just “schleck” and the system mapped that name to Andy, not Frank, since it doesn’t give a shit who’s on the start list.
I’ll fix those, but that should be a reminder of our oft-mentioned point: be specific enough in your picks, certainly when there are people with same last names that it is clear who you mean.
@frank
Especially when you’re talking about the Schlecks. They can both finish in the top-10 of a GT.
@frank
Since I don’t brew my own, I get mine at a store. Isn’t that the preferred method?
The Germans know how to make their beers. But they also appreciate other beers. It’s not difficult to not only get the easy beers (Belgian, Irish, Czech, etc.), but those from further out (American, Japanese, etc.).
This one is the Honey Weiss. Not their best, but not their worst. Certainly much better than their Berry Weiss, which is sickingly sweet.